力雄兄：

　　

　　如果所附《意见》属实，我建议作出以下修改，并在征求更多中左翼朋友批评修改意见基础上一起附签，以形成中国左中右思想界发出旨在促进国家统一、民族团结的共同呼声。

　　

　　第3条，以联合国在批准美国以"大规模杀伤性武器"虚假指控侵略伊拉克的丑恶记录看，经常充当美国推行国际霸权工具的联合国人权理事会，根本没有从事所谓"独立调查"资格。老兄和其他右翼签名人士对此不可能一无所知，为何仍然提出此类"引狼入室"要求费解；请兄释疑解答。

　　

　　第4条，同意西藏地区中共领导人描述"达赖"用语不妥，但把这类从国民政府"四·一二"清党大屠杀就惯用的"剿匪"语言，硬贴上"文革语言"标签，既不符合历史真相，也有违仁兄对文革问题所表明的最新进展和肯定性判断。所谓"国际社会"在这次西藏问题反华大合唱中的丑恶表演，已经非常充分并遭到广大海外学子和华裔人士的大量揭露痛斥，《意见》仍然要求中国政府迁就甚至仿效（其实是西方）"国际社会"的恶劣做法，不仅是对"现代文明"的粗暴亵渎，也是对中国人民极端不负责任的做法。

　　

　　部分同意第4条和第7条意见的合理之处，所谓擒贼擒王，死揪住一个在台前被人利用的"达赖"，而不敢与从上世纪五十年代起，就怂恿操纵"藏独"以削弱中国政治经济地位的国际强权势力，开展公开斗争；也不敢就国际强权借“藏独”、“台独”和“北京奥运会”等不断发难，借机对华敲诈勒索各类利益好处各类行径，予以有理有利有节的有力反击，此乃是舍本求末姑息养奸的做法。必须贯彻“对外狠、对内温”的做法，除极少数穷凶极恶首恶罪犯，应该宽恕优待受国际反华势力利用误入歧途之藏民。

　　

　　第8条，应该明确宣布，总体充满偏见恶意的西方主流媒体，完全缺乏应有客观公正资格进入藏区进行独立采访道。同时应改变目前"一刀切"的新闻封锁，让"半岛电视台"一类在西方和第三世界国家拥有广大听众的著名国际公正媒体，进入中国境内相关地区从事客观公正的独立调查道。

　　

　　第9条. 同意呼吁中国民众和海外华人保持冷静和宽容，强调民族和解与团结精神，强调广大藏民与汉民生死相关、休戚与共的兄弟姐妹关系。坚决谴责一切伤害藏民宗教信仰自由和民族感情的极端言论。但应坚决反对以争取所谓“国际社会”（其实就是国际强权势力的）好感为名，明明被豺狼咬了，却还要中国人显示羔羊一般无限温柔的荒谬主张，而应该发扬广大理性健康之民族主义精神和国际主义精神，以解决回击国际强权势力到处挑拨离间、制造民族分裂争斗、相互残杀以坐收渔翁之利的阴谋。

　　

　　如果不同意以上修改意见，务请提出批评和拒绝理由。如果你我之间都无法沟通、也缺乏交流沟通诚意，《意见》末尾所强调的"希望汉藏人民消除误解，开展交流，实现团结，无论是政府部门，还是民间组织和宗教人士，都应该为此做出努力"之说，就无法证明其真诚含义。

　　

　　顺附汪晖最新来信，请《意见》发起者认真考虑美中央情局背后策动支持1959年西藏暴乱基本史实和至今美国为"藏独运动"提供大量资金的不争事实。

　　

　　也附我女儿所收集的诸多西方学者有关西藏问题的英文资料，以及一个海外学子新建西藏问题网站，供各位参考。

　　

　　此信也附送汪晖、黄纪苏、李陀、萧功秦、陈子明等左中右重量级思想朋友。如果中国自由派中右翼人士无法与广大国民和海外侨胞取得思想共识，个人期待对国际强权势力真实意图认识更清、更深的中国左中翼思想界人士，能够尽快拿出一个《中国思想界对藏问题联合声明》来。

　　

　　–
李宪源

　　

　　附一：李宪源给黄纪苏、汪晖信，以及汪晖的复信

　　

　　—– 原始邮件 —-
发件人： 李宪源
已发送： 2008/3/21(周五), 上午9:09:50
主题： Tibet

　　

　　纪苏、汪晖：

　　

　　转一有关西藏问题的西方学术文章；可给张宏良的某些观点提供有力佐证和支持。中国政府面对西方媒体攻势并不是毫无精神和道义上的反击力量，而是自废武功，主动放弃了原本占有绝对优势的道德制高点。而按今年来国内左翼思想界关注强调的一个重点，在大国利益竞争较量中，能否占据"道德制高点"乃是"软实力"拼搏过程中的"重中之重"。问题是，在某种程度上已被买办势力夹持的决策高层，可能接受这一认识么？

　　

　　盼将此文转给你们认为有必要转告、但又不在我群发名单上的国内朋友过目。我没张宏良的邮箱，如有可能也请转达，包括昨天所发附信附文（今天贴到新浪博客上，只存活了三分钟）。

　　

　　李宪源

　　

　　wang hui Mar 20 (3 days ago) to 李宪源
cc Huang Jisu
date Mar 20, 2008 11:42 PM
subject 回复： Fwd: Tibet

　　

　　宪源、纪苏：

　　

　　谢谢来信和转送的文章。我一直关注着事态的发展。一些西方学者的工作值得介绍，据我所知Barry V SAUTMAN一直从国际法的角度研究西藏问题，他的看法在西方学者中是真正独立的看法，此外Melvyn Goldstein的研究是比较重要的。民族问题是中国问题中最为特殊和复杂的问题，由于它的敏感，对这个话题的控制最严，但控制的结果是中国在这类问题上反而失去了话语权。若追随美国的反恐逻辑讨论这些问题，也就等于将中国社会主义时期积累的成果全盘抛弃。思之心痛。现在确实需要重新整理二十世纪中国解决民族问题的成就以及需要加以总结的教训。1959年事变的文献现在许多都可以找到，CIA网上就有许多美国直接策划59年事件的文件，包括美国总统与达赖的通信，但国内好像很少关注。瑞士苏黎世有一个西藏人类学博物馆，馆长是一个人类学者，他长期对西藏文化着迷，但后来开始反思为什么这么多西方人迷恋西藏，并将西方藏学研究的历史，包括希姆莱组织西藏探险队和好莱坞制造西藏神话等过程以实物展现的方式呈现出来，曾经引发一些西方人的抗议，但最终得到了许多人的认可。同样可惜的是，中国学者在这方面的贡献甚微。

　　

　　祝好

　　

　　汪晖

　　

　　附二：请各位通过网络发言和电子邮件，广为传播这个海外学子新建网站：

　　很显然，只有这样的表达内容和方式，才能在大多数心地善良的加拿大和国际民众内心，引起对中国西藏问题的真切同情、充分理解和深刻共鸣。

　　

　　附三：有关西藏问题的更多西方学者意见
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———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Yizhi Li Date: Mar 22, 2008 2:00 AM
Subject: More papers on Tibet by western scholars: Through the Eye of Some Western Scholars
To: "David XY. Li" [email protected]

　　

　　Through the Eye of Some Western Scholars

by Grain

　　

　　When I began doing research on Tibet, one of the first articles that I found was "Tibet, Myth and Reality", by Forest Stockwell, a very informative and brief recap of the propaganda that is being passed out here in the West on Tibet, and the truth.

　　

　　For a more detailed study on Tibet, I read a good book titled
"The Making of Modern Tibet", by A. Tom Grunfeld, a professor of history at Empire State College of the State University of New York.

　　

　　Grunfeld stated in his introduction:
"Absolute objectivity, however admirable, is unattainable" "But the impossibility of being objective does not necessarily invalidate the search for a middle ground." "I have made every effort to use materials from most, if not al, contending points of view. I therefore choose to call this book "disinterested and dispassionate history".

　　

　　Upon reading "The Making of Modern Tibet", I agree that Grunfeld had succeeded in his attempt. On every issue or historical event, he often presented data from several sources. He detailed the intriguing political plays between the Dalai Lama and the Chinese communists from both view points. For anyone interested in finding out more on the events during the power struggle, this is a very good book.

　　

　　For people who have never heard of the existence of "serfs" in Tibet, and are asking "Who were the serfs" (One high school student wrote to me through the AOL board asking for information.), here are some quotes from Grunfeld’s book. Many more fascinating historical details can be found in Grunfeld’s book.

　　

　　On serfs:
"The vast majority of the people of Tibet were serfs, or as they were known there, mi ser (literally "yellow person")." "Serfs were ‘tied’ to their masters. They received the right to work the land in exchange for taxes and ulag, corvee labor. So powerless were they that they required permission to enter a monastery and even to marry. If two serfs of different lords married, male offspring reverted to the father’s lord, while female offspring went to the mother’s." "Monasteries also had the right to take children to be initiated as monks if the voluntary supply was insufficient." (pp. 12-15)

　　

　　"Sir Charles Bell, a British colonial official in India and a renowned Tibet scholar, acknowledged the existence of slaves:
Slaves are sometimes stolen, when small children, from their parents. Or the father or mother being too poor to support their child would sell it to a man, who paid them "sho-ring," "price of mother’s milk," brought up the child and kept it or sold it as a slave….Two slaves whom I saw … had been stolen from their parents when five years old, and sold in Lhasa for about seven pounds each." (p. 15)

　　

　　"In spite of the claim made not long ago that "before the Chinese crackdown in March 1959, the normal Tibetan diet included an inexhaustible flow of butter, tea, large amounts of meat and various vegetables", a survey made in 1940 in eastern Tibet came to a somewhat different conclusion. It found that 38 percent of the households never got any tea but ether collected herbs that grew wild or drank "white tea"–boiled water. It found that 51 percent could not afford to use butter, and that 75 percent of the households were forced at times to resort to eating grass cooked with cow bones and mixed with oat or pea flour." (p. 16)

　　

　　On Crime and Punishment in the early 1900’s:
"There is no evidence to support these images of a utopian Shangri-la. A frequent visitor to western Tibet reported that brigands ran freely, another called robbers "a regular plague," while a former resident reported "thieves as thick in Lhasa as fleas on a dog," and yet another confirmed that account by relating that he never ventured out at night in Lhasa unless accompanied by a servant and unless carrying a sword and/or revolver because he "lived in constant fear of burglars…" Economics was not always at the root of the crime. Some believed that to kill a rich or lucky man was to acquire his good fortune. All Westerners were considered to be very rich and lucky." (p. 23)

　　

　　"In Lhasa the jail was a deep underground pit from which the prisoners were only allowed out once or twice a year to beg for alms." "Another form of punishment favored in Tibet was torture and mutilation. Buddhist belief precludes the taking of life, so that whipping a person to the edge of death and then releasing him to die elsewhere allowed Tibetan officials to justify the death as ‘an act of God’. Other brutal forms of punishment included the cutting off of hands at the wrists; using red-hot irons to gauge out eyes; hanging by the thumbs; and crippling the offender, sewing him into a bag, and throwing the bag in the river." (p. 24)

　　

　　"A British woman who visited Gyantse in 1922 witnessed a public flogging and reported that the victim was then forced to spend the night exposed and tied down on the top of a mountain pass where he froze to death over night. A British resident of two decades reported seeing countless eye gougings and mutilations, while another resident in the late 1940’s reported that "all over Tibet I have seen men who have been deprived of an arm or a leg for theft." The most graphic evidence readily available of a public torture can be seen in Life magazine, which carried photographs of a whipping (200-250 lashes) that occurred right in the middle of Lhasa in 1950." (p. 24)

　　

　　For a report on a recent visit to Tibet, please see: "China Good China Bad", by Hank Hyena on Salon. I enjoyed reading this article very much. It’s short, sassy, and presents characters that are archetypes representing various views on the Tibet issues. In addition, since I love video games, one of my biggest concern for Tibet is: Will the Tibetan kids be allowed to play video games

　　

　　Another article that shows a good understanding of the Tibet issue is by Pamela Logan: "Finally, the end of Tibet as a fairy tale". Pamela Logan is founder and president of the Kham Aid Foundation, a nonprofit agency that assists Tibetans. This story ran on page A23 of the Boston Globe on 08/26/99. Here are some quotes from her article:

　　

　　"At long last, we are seeing a change in media coverage of Tibet, and it’s way overdue. In the past the situation in Tibet has been grossly oversimplified. Journalists presented it as a tale of good guys (Tibetans) and bad guys (Chinese) clearly delineated, a story with fairy tale appeal but little basis in reality. As a result, US foreign policy has been handicapped by a public that has never heard the whole story."

　　

　　"As president of a nongovernmental organization that brings foreign aid into Tibet, I have seen how Tibetans are hurt by the information blackout. When I try to raise money for repair of Buddhist monasteries, potential donors cite widely reported figures of 4,000, 5,000 or 6,000 (take your pick) monasteries razed by the Chinese and are reluctant to believe there is anything left to repair. When I solicit donations on behalf of schools in Tibet, people object erroneously that schools do not teach Tibetan language and are therefore instruments of the Chinese policy of cultural annihilation. When I ran an art conservation program that rescued some rare and endangered Tibetan murals, some felt that because the Chinese government allowed this project, there must be something wrong with it and advised one of my volunteer workers not to participate."

　　

　　"The American public has been conditioned to believe that the Chinese are utterly opposed to any sort of Tibetan cultural or economic advancement. Accurate reporting would show that this is simply not the case."

　　

　　For readers who are interested in finding out how Pam’s organization is helping the Tibetans, please visit:

　　

　　Pamela Logan’s Asia Adventure Page

　　

　　Kham Aid Foundation:

　　

　　Logan also wrote a book on her journey to Tibet:
Among Warriors: A Martial Artist in Tibet

　　

　　Logan ended her article with:
"The Tibet issue is a thorn in the side of fragile Sino-American relations, which are pivotal to peace and security in the world at large. These are not small stakes. Let’s hope that this new era of objective journalism in Tibet leads to a breakthrough in the deadlock between the Dalai Lama and Beijing. I believe that Tibetans, Chinese, and Americans will all benefit from it."

　　

　　I agree very much with Logan that we Americans need to understand the Tibet issue in depth. It’s time we start having more responsible journalism in this country. The future of our country and world peace may be at stake.

　　

　　For a good book on Buddhism in contemporary Tibet, where, according to one reviewer, some courageous lama are working to revive the Tibetan tradition, please read:

　　

　　Buddhism in Contemporary Tibet :
Religious Revival and Cultural Identity
by Melvyn C. Goldstein (Editor), Matthew Kapstein (Editor), Orville Schell

　　

　　Melvyn Goldstein is considered one of the foremost American scholar on Tibet. He helped Tashi Tsering write "The Struggle for Modern Tibet", an autobiography of Tashi Tsering.

　　

　　–
Liz

附四：本人在加国国家广播电视公司网站，所提落实CBC等西方媒体"独立公正调查资格"两个先决条件的发言

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NewMaoist wrote:Posted 2008/03/23
at 5:48 PM

To ETwilliam z:

　　

　　Let us mercifully take your idea seriously this time, disregarding all of your ignorance and nonsense.

　　

　　But first of all, you have to be precise if you like "All the world to know what is really going on in Tibet", or "All the world through very biased western media including CBC to know what is going on in Tibet".

　　

　　If you do insist on the Chinese government should allow such as CBC to conduct independent investigation, we have to test CBC’s qualification by asking it to take two vital steps immediately：

　　

　　1, Remove its censorship for all debates we are making in our posts here.

　　

　　2, Openly broadcast and present all essential arguments made by both sides in its TV / Radio / Website network to prove itself is truly objective but always trying impose its own biased views on the vast Canadian audience.

　　

　　In my opinion, any big corporation controlled western media unwilling to do so is utterly disqualified to go China for doing any objective investigation.

　　

　　Can all of us here to request CBC first to do the right thing before we could sign a petition and demand the Chinese government allow CBC’s correspondents in Tibet

　　

　　ETwilliam z said:

　　

　　With all the invective, name calling, accusations of media bias,inventive history and justifcation for China’s misdeeds and abysmal human-rights record, all the leftist anti-American and pro-Chinese minions seem to be ignoring the most important point of all.

　　

　　All the world wants is transparency and to know what is really going on in Tibet. So if the Chinese government is telling the truth as they claime, exactly why do they not allow an independent investigaton and why did they kick all foreingners out ofTibet It certainly appears that they are indeed hiding something.